Wednesday, September 4, 2013

Gleize makes another mistake

Fr.J.M Gleize who assumed that Pope PIus XII mentioned a defacto, known 'extraordinary means of salvation' outside the visible limits of the Catholic church, also wrongly considers being saved in 2013 with 'elements of sanctification'(LG 8) as referring to cases personally known to us.
 VaticanoII un dibattito aperto
This is the second error of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) professor of Ecclesiology, in his book Vaticano II -Dibatitto aperto. I have not read the book in detail but skimmed through it. Possibly there are other factual errors, claims of being able to see people on earth who are now saved in Heaven. They considers these cases a break with traditional ecclesiology. So they reject Vatican Council II when the fault is there with the false premise of being able to see or meet the dead-saved. SSPX books with this 'dead man walking theory' are being approved by the Italian District Superior  Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci.Don Pierpaolo
 
The ordinary means of salvation is the Catholic Church (Redemptoris Missio 55). It is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water(Ad Gentes 7).This is the only means of salvation available for sure in 2013.One can choose to be baptized with water, one cannot choose to be saved with the baptism of desire or being in invincible ignorance.One cannot choose to be a martyr by killing oneself(suicide) some one else has to create the martyr(baptism of blood). So there is only one ordinary means of salvation 'faith and baptism'. There is no extraordinary means of salvation.
If someone is saved with 'elements of sanctification and grace'(LG 8) it is only a possibility, known only to God and unknown to us.So it is not a known exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, the 'ecclesiocentric ' ecclesiology.
New Ecclesiology
Yesterday evening, at the photo stat shop, I was talking to a young man, probably a priest. He said he believed in all the teachings of the Catholic Church, all the dogmas.'Also extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?', I asked.He said that the Church does not teach it any more as in the past.There is a new ecclesiology.
A new ecclesiology!
Seminaristi
The new ecclesiology is based on the same error made by Fr.Gleize. Vatican Council II is considered to be a break with the past since those saved with 'elements of sanctification',(LG 8), seeds of the Word(AG 11), a good conscience(LG 16), invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are considered to be defacto, known exceptions in 2013, to all needing to convert into the Church and be visible members. This error is there in public in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC) (Christianity and the World Religions and The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized').The SSPX has never corrected or commented on this error on the  ITC website.Fr.J.M Gleize  and the SSPX theologians are sure to have overlooked it in the Vatican-SSPX talks and if there counterparts were aware of it, they did not mention it.-Lionel Andrades

Fr.Jean Marie Gleize makes a doctrinal error in a book published by the SSPX


SSPX priest tries to defend Fr.Gleize
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/sspx-priest-tries-to-defend-frgleize.html#links
 
 http://www.sanpiox.it/public/

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