Sunday, February 18, 2018

There will not be mission for Michael Voris based on the traditional teaching of the Church supported by Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) since he chooses Cushingism.

The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)  says all need to enter the Church for salvation and Michael Voris with his Cushngite theology indicates there are exceptions.
The dogma EENS defined by three Church Councils does  not mention any practical exceptions but Voris with his hypothetical probabilities assumes there are exceptions.
So he cannot affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS like me.
Some of his exceptions in the video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell are :-
1.Beyond being a card carrying Catholic to go to Heaven.
2.God’s grace is not bound by the sacraments. He can certainly operate outside of them. 
3. Does the “good” Protestant husband and father go to Hell because he wasn’t Catholic?
4. It should not be asked, “Will he go to Heaven if he wasn’t Catholic?” but, “Was he in a state of grace
5.Now, we can never know with any certitude, of course, the disposition of any particular soul; that is completely in the realm of Our Lord as Judge.
6.But in the hypothetical discussions people engage in, we can ask these questions. We speak in hypotheticals because principles of understanding fall from them. 
7.Faithful sacrament-frequenting Catholics are much more likely to be saved than anyone else because such a man is much more likely to die in a state of grace
8. It is much more difficult to be saved if you are not a Catholic with access to the sacraments to restore you to and keep you in a state of grace.
9.All salvation comes through the Catholic Church, and outside of Her there is no salvation. 1

With Feeneyism  these nine points  are simply hypothetical  and so they are not practical exceptions to the dogma EENS.
With Cushingite theology hypothetical cases are not hypothetical  but known people saved outside the Church in the present times.So they become exceptions to EENS in the present times.
Michael Voris interprets the Catechism and Vatican Council II  with hypothetical cases not hypothetical in the present times. 
For there to be an exception to the dogma EENS it has to happen in the present times. Someone in the past could not be an exception to the dogma EENS today.
Yet this is the common irrational reasoning.For the Cushingite, St. Emerentiana in the past, is an exception to the dogma EENS today(2018).
Here are some passages in the Catechism and Vatican Council II which Michael will interpret with Cushingism.

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Catechism of the Catholic Church

Feeneyite line.
The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.


Feeneyite passage:
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."

Feeneyite line.
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,


Cushingite line
for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.

Cushingite line
 he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

Now Michael Voris being a Cushingite in theology assumes that what is written in red is an exception to that written in blue.

For him the hypothetical passages in red are not hypothetical. So they can be exceptions to the passages in blue.

So the passages in red are relevant and are exceptions to the passage in blue for him.

So he cannot come out outright and say :  all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.

For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church in the present times. So they are not practical exceptions to the text in blue.
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
Feeneyism for me means the absense of the irrational premise ( hypothetical cases like the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are non hypothetical in 2018).
So the nine points of Michael Voris are hypothetical cases which are non hypothetical and they prevent him from saying all non Catholics in 2018 need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.
If I was presenting this Vortex I would not have mentioned these nine points since they are not relevant to EENS. This is even though the authors of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) are Cushingites.The Catechism can be re-interpreted with Feeneyism.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Feeneyite passage:
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. 

 yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.

The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.

Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. 


Cushingite passages:
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."

Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him 

For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church. So they are not practical exceptions to the text in blue.
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
So for me Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and this must be proclaimed in mission.But for Michael Voris there are exceptions of those 'inculpably ignorant of the Gospel' whom God can lead to Himself.This is a non hypothetical case for Michael. So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for him, as the blue passages in Ad Gentes 7 tell me.
So we are both reading the same passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) but he does it with Cushingite theology which depends on the false premise. I avoid it.This I call Feeneyism.
So Michael Voris will not say that all Jews and Muslims in Detroit are on the way to Hell in 2018 unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).There will not be mission for him based on this traditional teaching of the Church.
-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 18, 2018

In the old Vortex on Do Non Catholics Go To Hell?, prudent Michael Voris does not want to be called a Feeneyite: uses Cushingite theology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/in-vortex-on-do-non-catholics-go-to.html


 FEBRUARY 17, 2018




I am a Feeneyite who does not reject Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject.html


FEBRUARY 17, 2018


I am a Feeneyite who does not reject BOD, BOB and I.I

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject-bod.html

FEBRUARY 17, 2018



I affirm baptism of desire(BOD) Feeneyite and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Feeneyite.I do not reject BOD,baptism of blood (BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) which are always Feeneyite for me.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-affirm-baptism-of-desirebod-feeneyite.html


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    In the old Vortex on Do Non Catholics Go To Hell?, prudent Michael Voris does not want to be called a Feeneyite: uses Cushingite theology


    Comment sent with video of Michael Voris.
    All salvation comes through the Catholic Church, and outside of Her there is no salvation.-Michael Voris 1
    Lionel:

    Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?

    I am saying YES.

    Michael Voris cannot also say Yes.
    So in the Vortex on Do Non Catholics Go To Hell? he avoids the issue. He does not want to be called a Feeneyite.
    He wants to affirm Cushingism as a theology as does the Left and the Archbishop of Detroit.
    He does not say that the baptism of water and Catholic faith are the ordinary, normal means to salvation.
    He does not say that unknown cases of the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc are not exceptions to the ordinary ways of salvation.
    He plays it safe.
    He calls a dogma defined by three Church Councils and supported by Vatican Council II(AG 7) a moot question.
    This Vortex is full of errors.
    We know that all non Catholics are on the way to Hell since the Church teaches this in the dogma EENS(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441), Nicene Creed ( I believe in one baptism, the baptism of water and not three known baptisms), Athanasius Creed(Outside the Church there is no salvation), Catechism of Pius X and Council of Trent, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257( the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water) etc.
    Michael says that we must go  'beyond the card carrying Catholic' concept of salvation. To be saved you need to be 'a card carrying member'.This is told to us by Jesus in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
    Michael is unloading his irrational Cushingite theology on to us. 
    So for me all non Catholics go to Hell in 2018 and this is magisterial. It is magisterial according the Church documents interpreted without the Cushingite theology.
    He says God is not bound to the Sacraments (CCC 846). Remember he is a Cushingite and so possibilities known only to God are relevant to the dogma EENS for him. This was the reasoning of Pope Benedict.Who among us can know when God will choose not be limited to the Sacraments? No one. But since cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn are Cushingites they mention this theory in the Catechism(1257) as if it was relevant to EENS.
    With this reasoning Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with EENS for Michael Voris and Pope Benedict. This is the basis for their hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.Hypothetical cases like 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' are used to make Vatican Council II a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors.
    So Voris cannot outright say that all non Catholics are on the way to Hell. He rejects the dogma EENS like the local Chancellor and the rest of the Church of Nice.
    Does the good Protestant and father go to Hell ?
    Yes.Since the Church teaches it in her magisterial documents interpreted with Feeneyite theology i.e without the irrational Cushingite premise.
    The Protestant is outside the Church.
    The Catholic who marries the Protestant is living in adultery.
    Can you imagine Michael Voris affirming these magisterial documents with Feeneyite theology, as I do ? Can you see him directly saying that all non Catholic with no exceptions are ore on the way to Hell in 2018?
    No.
    Since for him outside the Church there is no salvation has exceptions. This is standard Cushingism.So he vaguely says all salvation comes from the Church.
    He says that we cannot know with any particular certainty the disposition of any particular soul since that is in the realm of God.Then why mention it? What has this to do with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , how is it relevant ? Why is it mentioned with reference to all non Catholics going to Hell according to the teachings of the Church?
    Why does he not mention the dogma EENS and say that we know that all  non Catholics, including the good Protestant husband are on the way to Hell? This has been the teaching of the Holy Spirit over the centuries.
    The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism in the Catholic Church and we cannot judge the disposition of any soul to assume he or she is an exception. 
    The dogma says all non Catholics are on the way to Hell and he has judged that there are known exceptions.So every one does not need to be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church for him.
    Church Militant TV is now a big project and he has to be prudent to keep it safe and so he is as heretical as the rest at Detroit.He has to protect his reputation and use irrationality to change the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
    -Lionel Andrades




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    https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/do-non-catholics-go-to-hell

    You may hope that a particular person outside the Church is finally saved but this is not the same as knowing this in personal cases.



      Yes i am saying that all in Heaven are Catholic but  not the same way that you are saying it. 
    Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?
    I am saying YES.While you are using Cushingism and so are accomodating known cases of the baptism of desire who are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.So you cannot say Yes.
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    I do know of BOB CATHOLICS who left this world with Baptism of Blood as TAUGHT BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
    You believe that they exist like St. Emerentiana.You believe this in faith. Theoretically you think it is possible. 
    For this hypothetical case to be an exception it has to be a known personally.
    For example, there has to be a person in 2018 who has been saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. In this way, you could say that there is an exception to EENS.
    People in Heaven cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS on earth.
    Speculation of people being in Heaven are not known exceptions to the dogma EENS in the present times.
    Only God would know about a baptism of desire case. You would not be able to see such a person in Heaven.Neither can you say that God will judge a particular person to be saved without the baptism of water in the Church because he is your relative or a friend or someone whom you admired. 
    You  may hope that a particular person outside the Church is finally saved but this is not the same as knowing this in personal cases.
    So you do not know of any non Catholic saved with the baptism of desire in the present  times. It was the same with the people at the time of St. Emerentiana. They could not see St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.So someone in faith must have assumed that this happened.
    Secondly a theoretical possibility of the past, speculation in the past, cannot be an objective exception to the dogma EENS in the present times (2018).
    -Lionel Andrades

    Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water? I say YES.

    Lionel:
    Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?
    I am saying YES.

    You think that Catholics can imply that a person MIGHT be saved by being  protestant or some other faith. The answer to that is an absolutely NO. 
    Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?
    I am saying YES.
    There are NEVER situations in this world that a Catholic may think that a non Catholic might be saved.
    O.K so are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?
    I say YES.
     It is the duty of all Catholics to teach all without fail, That there is No Salvation Outside of the Catholic Church.
    What about you ? Are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water?
    I say YES.
    -Lionel Andrades

    Blessed Pope Paul VI who is to be canonized approved a factual error in Vatican Council II and this cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.

    Blessed Pope Paul VI who is to be canonized approved a factual error in Vatican Council II and this cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. The same error was overlooked by Blessed Pope Pius XII.He did not correct the objective mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston case.
    The same false premise and false conclusion existed at the time of Pope John XXIII.He allowed it to pass.
    By using an irrational premise i.e invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible, he created a new conclusion i.e there are exceptions to the traditional, 'strict' interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So from Pius XII to Francis, 'the Church' teaches there is known salvation outside the Church.There is salvation outside the Church. So all do not need to enter the Church in the present times. 
    This is the false teaching widespread and it is being enforced by the Jewish Left  and those who oppose the canonization of Blessed Pius XII,for political reasons.
    This is the Aryan- like heresy in the Church today and it is not being corrected my many people who know about it.They are good people who fear losing their reputation, careers or privileges in the Catholic Church.
    Pope Paul VI was a Cushingite while I am a Feeneyite. The Catechisms can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism. I choose Feeneyism. Pope Benedict and Pope Francis choose Cushingism.
    The liberal theologians at Vatican Council II chose to interpret the Catechism and magisterial documents with Cushingism. 
    So like the Wikipedia entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus  , for example, the two liberal popes interpret all references to invincible ignorance as being exceptions to EENS. In other words the reference is to physically visible and known people saved outside the Church. Even though these people would be in Heaven if they existed.Only with this inference can they suggest that there are  exceptions to EENS. So it is  concluded that Mystici Corporis, the Catechsim of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of the Council of Trent oppose the traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.
    So whenever they read a reference to the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance immediately they picture a known person in their mind.
     But these magisterial documents do not state that they are a reference to a known person.Common sense tells us that they can only be hypothetical cases.
    I repeat Mystici Corporis and the Catechism of Pius X for example, do not state that invincible ignorance is a reference to a known person saved outside the Church. The liberal theologians had to make this false inference.
    So for me the Catechism of Pope Pius X supports the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.These Catechisms are Feeneyite.They say all need the baptism of water for salvation. All need to enter the Church with faith and baptism.
    So I affirm Vatican Council II which is also Feeneyite for me.I do not reject the Council like the traditionalists do.
    I affirm the Nicene Creed which is Feeneyite for me.But not so for the cardinals.
    Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J also recited the Profession of Faith when he accepted the office of Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith.However his understanding of the Nicene Creed is  Cushingite.
    It is the same with the traditionalist bloggers. Ann Barnhardt, Louie Verrecchio, Hilary White and David Domet will  affirm the Nicene Creed and even make a Profesion of Faith - but their model is Cushingite. 
    If I would ask them or Micnael Voris to please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water they would not anwer or say no...
    They are Cushingites.This is to be expected.
    So they deny the Nicene Creed (Feeneyite), EENS(Feeneyite), the Catechisms (Feeneyite) and Vatican Council II(Feeneyite). It would be the same with Bishop Bernard Fellay.Here Feeneyism refers to Tradition.
    They are following the Cushingism of the popes from Pius XII to Paul VI to Benedict and Francis.
    They are all in harmony with Magisterial heresy approved by the Jewish Left and so they are not told officially not to use the name Catholic. They can still call themselves Catholic and the Left will not object.
    They may say that they affirm the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecumenism of return etc but for the Left this is meaningless. Since with Cushingism they deny what they affirm.So they are on board and they can offer the Tridentine Rite Mass.
    Catholics must recognise that the popes made an objective error, a philosophical mistake in Vatican Council II and they simply cannot follow it to remain political correct. 
    Fr.Leonard Feeney opposed Cushingism with reference to EENS and the Left excommunicated him. Archbishop Lefebvre opposed Cushingism in Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and he was excommunicated.They were excommunicated for their Catholic orthodoxy.They were being faithful to Tradition.
    Today those Catholics who do not say that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for saying all non Catholics are on the way to Hell(Feeneyism) will be penalised.Those who do not say they believe that there are known exceptions(Cushingism) to traditional EENS in Vatican Council II will be penalised in the Church.So today even the St. Benedict Centers are on board with the two Cushingite popes.
    They must accomodate heresy at least if they want to hold a responsible position in the Church ( Parish Priest, Religious Superior, Rector, Bishop etc).
    This was all condoned by Pope Paul VI who is to be canonised a saint.-Lionel Andrades


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